Episode 26: Oberon Zell-Ravenheart on Paganism, Polyamory, Unicorns, and more…

In this episode, Mike Gathers chats with Oberon Zell-Ravenheart

From the Gray School of Wizardry

Oberon Zell is a renowned Wizard and Elder in the worldwide Magickal Community and an initiate in several Traditions, with involvement in many interfaith projects. In 1967 he was the first to apply the term “Pagan” to the newly emerging Nature Religions of the 1960s. Oberon founded the first legal Pagan church (Church of All Worldswww.CAW.org), and through his publication of Green Egg magazine (1968-present), Oberon was instrumental in the coalescence of the modern Pagan movement.


• Gaea Genesis book:

• More at Amazon:

• The Wizard Oz documentary:

• Grey School of Wizardry:

• Church of All Worlds:

• “A Bouquet of Lovers: Strategies for Open Relationships” by Morning Glory Zell:

• Green Egg Magazine:

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Host Mike Gathers

Producer/Engineer Richard Rasa

Oberon proposing to Rhiannon at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington DC. Their wedding is scheduled for May 17, 2024.

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Tim and Morning Glory Zell, St. Louis witches and prime movers in the Church of All Worlds—the first religion in history to be admittedly based on a work of fiction; their theology is lifted verbatim from Robert Heinlein’s imaginary Martian religion in Stranger in a Strange Land—gave a seminar called “Omega” based on the evolutionary theories of the Jesuit paleontologist Teilhard de Chardin. Synchronistically, they illustrated this presentation with an “evolutionary mandala” which I had previously seen in Psychedelic Review magazine when Tim Leary was editor. This amazing drawing looks like an ordinary Tibetan Buddhist mandala of concentric circles at first sight; look closer and it shows representatives of all major species and families of earth-life (fish, insect, dinosaur, birds, reptiles, dogs, etc. etc. etc.) radiating out from a central DNA spiral. 

“All life is One,” Tim proclaimed. “This is no longer mysticism, but hard scientific fact. There is One Mind on this planet, the DNA computer…” 

“And each individual mind can re-link itself to that One Mind at any time…” Morning Glory said. 

“And when all minds learn to do that, we reach the Qmega point, the planetary awakening foretold in all mythology,” Tim went on. 

Tim and Morning Glory have a great presentation there; the alternative back-and-forth delivery gives a quasi-ritual effect and emphasizes the real link between DNA science and traditional religious concepts. 

“Is Tim Leary turning informer?” Tim asked me later. 

“I don’t know,” I said, repeating a speech I’d delivered a thousand times in recent weeks. “I haven’t been able to communicate with him in three months. Nobody can communicate with him. Nobody knows what’s happening.” 

“The witch-hunt is coming,” Tim said, sounding exactly like Isaac Bonewits. “They’re already programming the public. Did you see The Exorcist? Subliminal visuals, subsonics, the whole apparatus to plant terror in the unconscious and aim it at occultists or investigators of the occult…”

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